tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1076171049417505718.post8295287398776345580..comments2023-07-28T09:53:02.523+01:00Comments on Dr Kelly's Death - Suicide or Murder: A few thoughts about the evidence of PCs Franklin and Sawyerbrian in the tamar valleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13475701925894027724noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1076171049417505718.post-20863886824386999832011-02-05T16:35:36.720+00:002011-02-05T16:35:36.720+00:00Felix - I guess it's quite a problem working o...Felix - I guess it's quite a problem working out how the searches went and were organised. My thought is that the police might want to have the public search contingent well controlled rather than everyone doing their own thing. Of course public involvement in searching for a missing person is nothing new but as yet I've not had reason to be involved in such a search so don't really know the form they take!<br /><br />If the police made an appeal at 8.20 my thought is that they might be asking volunteers to muster at the village hall say at 9.15 or something like that. It could be then that information about Dr Kelly's body being found filters through before much progress has taken place with the search.brian in the tamar valleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13475701925894027724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1076171049417505718.post-64075823259577665942011-02-05T16:14:29.714+00:002011-02-05T16:14:29.714+00:00LL - regarding the tent I'm not sure that it h...LL - regarding the tent I'm not sure that it had any significance in relation to the reported positions of the corpse. From Dr Hunt's evidence it seems that the tent was erected over Dr Kelly's body sometime between 12.35 when Dr Hunt confirms life is extinct and 14.10 when he is joined by Mr Green. Before the tent is erected I assume a SOCO is taking any number of photographs.<br /><br />When Dr Hunt and Mr Green are in the tent then inevitably the body is being moved as it is undressed and being physically examined. In his report Dr Hunt surprisingly pays no attention to the position of the body relative to the large nearby tree, nor is any appraisal made of the nearby vegetation or of the nature of the ground beneath the body. With Dr Hunt stating that much of the blood had disappeared into the ground the failure to describe the ground conditions is an extremely serious omission in my view.brian in the tamar valleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13475701925894027724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1076171049417505718.post-33179511445320938282011-02-05T12:26:10.467+00:002011-02-05T12:26:10.467+00:00Thanks for the link Felix. I had an idea that the...Thanks for the link Felix. I had an idea that there was an early press report of concerned neighbours searching on the Friday morning and this appears to be it.brian in the tamar valleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13475701925894027724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1076171049417505718.post-26663606376693039192011-02-05T09:15:38.538+00:002011-02-05T09:15:38.538+00:00I wonder where the civilians were searching. Appa...I wonder where the civilians were searching. Apparently Mrs Kelly gave an interview to the New York Times (19 July I guess) (repeated in the Scotsman <a href="http://news.scotsman.com/huttoninquiry/Kelly-warned-of-dark-actors.2445253.jp" rel="nofollow">here on 20 July 2003.</a> <br />A significant paragraph is <br /><i>"Shortly after police were alerted on Thursday night, a search began. With no success overnight, police appealed for help from neighbours at 8.20am on Friday morning. Weaver [Paul Weaving I guess,referred to previously as Paul Weaver the last person to see Dr Kelly alive] was among those who turned out to search, as were friends from the village pub where Kelly, despite being teetotal, was part of the cribbage team. </i> <br />I wonder where those searches went and how they were organised.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1076171049417505718.post-28247971893686677112011-02-04T08:36:49.623+00:002011-02-04T08:36:49.623+00:00ps I think the only evidence that can be regarded ...ps I think the only evidence that can be regarded as reliable from the scene is that of the search team and the ambulance crew, certainly the body was in a different position but they gave honest accounts.<br /><br />The police versions ammount to a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. Dominic Grieve has the photographic evidence - when will he do something about it?LancashreLadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05635388809036821102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1076171049417505718.post-37689409835322381072011-02-04T08:27:08.457+00:002011-02-04T08:27:08.457+00:00It is complicated but well done Brian.
Clearly Fr...It is complicated but well done Brian.<br /><br />Clearly Franklin/Sawyer and Hunt/Bartlett arrive at significantly different times. Perhaps this is the reason the ambulance record forms have gone missing, they would paint a very different picture than was given to the Inquiry.<br /><br />It appears Coe/Shields/+ a-n-other met Franklin/Sawyer/Dadd shortly after 9.30 (not sure where the 3 cordons are at this stage possibly at the lower carpark)<br /><br />But Hunt and Bartlett arrive at the car park 9.55 yet, at the inquiry, Franklin /Sawyer have the ambulance crew arriving at the same time as them.<br /><br />I believe the body position had become a real problem as had the various blood pools associated with the different body/wrist positions.<br /><br />I also believe a decision was made to let the ambulance crew have access to the body when they first arrived; then a tent was organised to go over the body for the scene to be arranged yet again. The left wrist position when the ambulance crew saw it was pointing upwards. Franklin and Sawyer had the left palm pointing down. Dr Hunt had the left arm in one position at his first visit, another position at his second and his memory in his Aug10 interview was the wound had clearly been repeatedly picked of scabs to ensure continued bleeding (not the evidence of the ambulance crew)LancashreLadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05635388809036821102noreply@blogger.com