Thursday, 16 June 2011

Email sent to Thames Valley Police regarding the body position

I have today sent an email to Thames Valley Police concerning conflicting statements by DC Coe about the position of Dr Kelly's body and the fact that TVP have ignored the evidence on the body position given by Louise Holmes.  The email was entitled 'Dr Kelly's death - conflicting evidence from DC Coe as to body position'  This is the text of the email:

Chief Constable, DCC Habgood, ACC Ball
The Attorney General Dominic Grieve made a statement to the House of Commons on 9th June 2011 concerning the death of Dr David Kelly. 
Despite evidence to the contrary Mr Grieve asserted that the body hadn't been moved. 
This communication looks at the evidence given by DC Coe, the first police officer to see the body, as to his description of the body position and that seemingly subsequent to his police witness statement he depicts it as being seen in a different position.
In Annex TVP1  submitted to the Attorney General's Office we have sight of DC Coe's police statement.  In it he says 'I was shown the body of a male person who was lying on his back'
At the Hutton Inquiry this is the question and answer in DC Coe's testimony that deals with the body position: 
8 Q. And how was the body positioned?
9 A. It was laying on its back -- the body was laying on its
10 back by a large tree, the head towards the trunk of the
11 tree.
On 8 August 2010 an interview of DC Coe (retired) appeared in The Mail on Sunday.  In annex TVP1 you focus on "The Third Man" who was with DC Coe, the admitted evidence of a third man having come into the public domain via this article.  Annex TVP1 states that 'DC Coe was interviewed on the 25th August 2010 in response to the Mail story'
Assuming a reasonable level of competence on the part of the interviewing officer(s) then they would have read the article in its entirety and discussed any aspects of the piece in the Mail on Sunday with DC Coe that were in conflict with his police evidence statement or other known evidence not just the matter of "The Third Man".  In the article these are the quoted words by DC Coe relating to the body position:
'As I got closer, I could see Dr Kelly's body sideways on, with his head and shoulders against a large tree.  He wasn't dead flat along the ground.  If you wanted to die, you'd never lie flat out.  But neither was he sat upright'
This description exactly matches that given by Louise Holmes, the first person to see the body.  Ms Holmes gets to within four feet of the body and is consistent in her police statement evidence and her testimony at the Hutton Inquiry.  Nevertheless in Annex TVP3 you are implying it seems to me that her evidence regarding the body position can't be right and should be disregarded.  About 45 minutes after the body discovery ambulance technician Dave Bartlett is able to stand and work in the space between Dr Kelly's head and the tree. 
I do not believe that at a distance of four feet from the body Ms Holmes would think the head and shoulders were slumped against the tree if the body was a significant distance from the tree.
I should like to be informed as to whether the interviewing officer(s) did discuss the body position with DC Coe in the light of his quoted remarks in The Mail on Sunday.  It would be a matter of great concern surely if the matter wasn't discussed.  There is no suggestion in your submissions to the Attorney General that the point was put to DC Coe.  I have therefore to pose the question as to whether Thames Valley Police misled the Attorney General regarding the vital question as to whether the body was moved.
I am copying this email to the Attorney General's office.  It will also appear on my blog  Blind copies are being sent to others who I feel might have a particular interest in the content. 
Brian Spencer


  1. Brian, the facts are very clear

    1st person to see Dr Kelly’s body was a volunteer searcher, Louise Holmes, she said;

    “He was at the base of the tree with almost his head and his shoulders just slumped back against the tree.”

    Lord Hutton said;

    “I have seen a photograph of Dr Kelly's body in the wood which shows that most of his body was lying on the ground but that his head was slumped against the base of the tree”


    Dave Bartlett the ambulance technician said;

    ‘When I was there the body was far enough away from the tree for someone to get behind it. I know that because I stood there when we were using the electrodes to check his heart”

    Prof Dr Shepherd who assisted the Attorney General with his investigation, in his report, said;

    “ It is quite clear from consideration of the photographs of the scene that at the time they were taken, the body of David Kelly lay with his feet pointing away from a tree and that there was a significant gap between the base of the tree and the top of the head.”


    The pathologist who attended the scene, Dr Hunt, said;

    “I recall that his head was quite close to branches and so forth, but not actually over the tree.”

    The Attorney General, Mr Dominic Grieve said in his statement to Parliament;

    “as the photographs show, his head very close to the trunk of a tree,”


    The body was clearly moved as witnesses evidenced and photographs prove. There is only one explanation for Thames Valley Police, Lord Hutton and Dominic Grieve to say the body had not been moved ........... they are lying!

  2. And they will continue to lie!
    There is NO way that the person or persons who moved Dr Kelly's body will ever admit to it. The person(s) who gave instructions to the men on the ground to move the body will see to it that those men responsible for moving the body and disturbing a crime scene will never be put into a position (i.e. a court of law) where they have to answer the questions that you all want to ask. That's how the system works.
    Even if the photos were released nobody would own up to it.

  3. Brian,

    Did you receive a rep;y?

  4. Andrew

    I haven't received a reply! A reminder of this fact is perhaps now due to TVP.